Please can someone help.
I Have 12 Longi HiM06HTB 435 all black Mono solar panels fitted we then had 4 extra panels fitted [total 16]
We have Fox ESS H1 G2 5.0 kW 1ph Hybrid inverter.
My neighbour has eight panels
AIKO-A460-MAH54Mb 460watt panels
HESS-HY-S-3.6KHybrid inverter .
he has 8 all on one roof i have five on the same roof the rest on three other roofs . both systems have been installed within the last six months.
My concern is.
His 8 panels are out performing my 16 panels by a lot
Example
Sat 3rd
his total yield 8 panels 19.1 my 16 panels was 14.7
exported.
his was13.20 mine was 7.20.
Its the total yield that bothers me surely my 16 panels should draw in more than 8 panels
My installer is saying its all running fine and doing what its supposed to do,
Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.
Regards David Clements.
There is a lot to consider here,
are all of your panels in a single string i.e. 16 * 435 watt panels = 6,960 watts which is firstly higher than your inverters output (5kw) but also higher than the recommended power on a single string (3750 watts) - if they are on a single string your inverter will be severely restricting the input power they can generate.
If they are split over 2 strings, how many are on each string ?
You haven't said whether you have optimisers fitted, when you have panels facing different direction you will get different power outputs from each roof across the day - but if you have multiple roofs connected to 1 PV string and no optimisers fitted the roof operating at the lowest power will throttle the power generation of any other roof, even if some are in full sunshine.
The optimal solution by far is to have 1 roof with all panels facing the same direction, if your neighbour has 8 panels pointing in a good direction they will likely get almost perfect output.
It would be helpful if you could post images of your PV1 power and PV2 power graphs for a clear day, that would show how the string is performing and whether the inverter is restricting it or another roofs shade might be holding it back.
are all of your panels in a single string i.e. 16 * 435 watt panels = 6,960 watts which is firstly higher than your inverters output (5kw) but also higher than the recommended power on a single string (3750 watts) - if they are on a single string your inverter will be severely restricting the input power they can generate.
If they are split over 2 strings, how many are on each string ?
You haven't said whether you have optimisers fitted, when you have panels facing different direction you will get different power outputs from each roof across the day - but if you have multiple roofs connected to 1 PV string and no optimisers fitted the roof operating at the lowest power will throttle the power generation of any other roof, even if some are in full sunshine.
The optimal solution by far is to have 1 roof with all panels facing the same direction, if your neighbour has 8 panels pointing in a good direction they will likely get almost perfect output.
It would be helpful if you could post images of your PV1 power and PV2 power graphs for a clear day, that would show how the string is performing and whether the inverter is restricting it or another roofs shade might be holding it back.
Thanks for getting back to me,
All panels have optimizers.
My installers told me 16 panels would be the maximum i could have.
As for single string ,I don't know I will have to ask installers.
When you put your trust in a company you expect the best advice and system.
I will let you know what they come back with.
Regards Dave
All panels have optimizers.
My installers told me 16 panels would be the maximum i could have.
As for single string ,I don't know I will have to ask installers.
When you put your trust in a company you expect the best advice and system.
I will let you know what they come back with.
Regards Dave
Good afternoon , Please see attached two photos of the PV graph, and the Inverter as requested.
Looks like there is two strings, Is this correct for sixteen panels.
Do you think the inverter is sufficient for the system i have.
Regards
David Clements
Looks like there is two strings, Is this correct for sixteen panels.
Do you think the inverter is sufficient for the system i have.
Regards
David Clements
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I think 12 panels are working on one string and the extra 4 on another string. do they need to be 8 panels on each string.
Regards Dave
Regards Dave
The voltage showing does confirm you have both strings active, I assume that screenshot must have been taken when it was cloudy - with 4 panels you'd expect to see around 120 volts in full sun, and for the 12 panels around 360 volts, but the installer could have wired some of the panels in parallel i.e. 6 || 6 so the voltage would be lower ~ i.e. 180 volts but the current would be much higher.
The answer to the 12 panels on one string being too many question is 'it depends', if you have 12 panels on one roof all with the same elevation the answer would be a resounding yes, the power is too high for the inverter to handle and it will clip in full sun. But as you have different roofs / elevations you may be hitting peak sun on one roof in the morning and peak on the other in the afternoon - the net result being that it will work fine and won't be clipped as the maximum power is never too much to cause problems. Going back to your neighbour, if he has 8 panels pointing in a clear and uninterupted direction that gets sun all day, it is possible that he will get more power than you as they will always be operating at a higher power.
If you use the Foxcloud website and go to the Inverter Details screen (click Device, Inverter and then click the blue search in the operation field) - you will see your device status, energy flow screens and a power /statistics graph - but below that at the bottom of the page is an 'empty' graph - here you can select different sensors to view and compare to see how they change over the day.
If you can select PV1 Volt and PV2 Volt and 'search' it will show how the voltage changes across the day and you can pick which day to view - if you could post that image on a sunny day that would be really helpful. Also if you can choose the sensors PV1Power and PV2Power you will see how the 2 strings produce power across the day, again a very useful graph as if the inverter is clipping the peak power will have a flat top to it rather than a curved peak - again if you could post that graph for a sunny day it would help to see how your system is performing.
The answer to the 12 panels on one string being too many question is 'it depends', if you have 12 panels on one roof all with the same elevation the answer would be a resounding yes, the power is too high for the inverter to handle and it will clip in full sun. But as you have different roofs / elevations you may be hitting peak sun on one roof in the morning and peak on the other in the afternoon - the net result being that it will work fine and won't be clipped as the maximum power is never too much to cause problems. Going back to your neighbour, if he has 8 panels pointing in a clear and uninterupted direction that gets sun all day, it is possible that he will get more power than you as they will always be operating at a higher power.
If you use the Foxcloud website and go to the Inverter Details screen (click Device, Inverter and then click the blue search in the operation field) - you will see your device status, energy flow screens and a power /statistics graph - but below that at the bottom of the page is an 'empty' graph - here you can select different sensors to view and compare to see how they change over the day.
If you can select PV1 Volt and PV2 Volt and 'search' it will show how the voltage changes across the day and you can pick which day to view - if you could post that image on a sunny day that would be really helpful. Also if you can choose the sensors PV1Power and PV2Power you will see how the 2 strings produce power across the day, again a very useful graph as if the inverter is clipping the peak power will have a flat top to it rather than a curved peak - again if you could post that graph for a sunny day it would help to see how your system is performing.
Thank you again for your quick reply .I will get back to you tomorrow ,I need to get some help.
Regards Dave.
Regards Dave.
Good afternoon, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.
I have been in contact with my supplier and they are going to split the panels up instead of 12 on one string and 4 on the other string.
they are going to do 9 on one and 7 on the other. See if that makes any difference. They are doing this on Friday.
There is still no fault codes on the inverter.
My neighbours 8 panels are still producing more than my 16.
I will get the information you asked as soon as i can work it out
Regards Dave,
I have been in contact with my supplier and they are going to split the panels up instead of 12 on one string and 4 on the other string.
they are going to do 9 on one and 7 on the other. See if that makes any difference. They are doing this on Friday.
There is still no fault codes on the inverter.
My neighbours 8 panels are still producing more than my 16.
I will get the information you asked as soon as i can work it out
Regards Dave,
Is this the info needed two pic. please see below.
I hope I have done this correct
Regards Dave
I hope I have done this correct
Regards Dave
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No the app isn't much use in analysing things like this, you have to use a browser and go to www.foxesscloud.com and log in there with your same credentials as you use for the app.
When you get logged in, click 'Device' and under that 'Inverter' - it will list your inverter details and at the far right under operation - click the small blue search icon.
Scroll down to the bottom of that page 'Inverter Details' and you will see an empty graph, where it says 'Please Select' find and click on PV1Power and PV2Power and search - if you could screen shot that graph and attach it below.
Then clear the search and this time select PV1Volt and PV2Volt and search, again if you could screenshot that and attach it please.
When you get logged in, click 'Device' and under that 'Inverter' - it will list your inverter details and at the far right under operation - click the small blue search icon.
Scroll down to the bottom of that page 'Inverter Details' and you will see an empty graph, where it says 'Please Select' find and click on PV1Power and PV2Power and search - if you could screen shot that graph and attach it below.
Then clear the search and this time select PV1Volt and PV2Volt and search, again if you could screenshot that and attach it please.
here are the graphs you asked for, hope they help.
The company that installed the system have put 8 panels on each string
but my neighbours 8 panels are producing more than my 16 panels.
Please see files below.
Regards Dave
The company that installed the system have put 8 panels on each string
but my neighbours 8 panels are producing more than my 16 panels.
Please see files below.
Regards Dave
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Looks like PV2 has a problem, very low voltage.
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Here are the up to date grafts.
As i have said before i had 12 panels running on one string, I have added another 4 panels, My installer then put
8 panels on one string and 8 on the another string. 16 panels over 4 roofs.
My neighbours have 8 panels and is producing more than my 16.
As i have said before i had 12 panels running on one string, I have added another 4 panels, My installer then put
8 panels on one string and 8 on the another string. 16 panels over 4 roofs.
My neighbours have 8 panels and is producing more than my 16.
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Doesn't look like PV2 is happy at all. likely one of the roofs is going into shading, which tanks the whole PV2 input.
I would personally try to move the roof(s) which are not in an ideal direction to their own string inverter like a fox S1500 string inverter so it can be managed on it's own mppt.
I would personally try to move the roof(s) which are not in an ideal direction to their own string inverter like a fox S1500 string inverter so it can be managed on it's own mppt.
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All 16 panels have there own optimisers ,I was told that would counteract the panels in the shade.
that's why I went for more panels.
Dave
that's why I went for more panels.
Dave
Would it improve my system to add a extra small inverter to run a roof that is in shade until late morning.
As I mentioned before all panels have optimizers which I was told would counter the shaded areas.
Regards Dave
As I mentioned before all panels have optimizers which I was told would counter the shaded areas.
Regards Dave
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I would first have the installer investigate why the voltage drops so steeply before investing more in optimisers, but technically, that would be the way to go to have all panels being managed and as needed bypassed.
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Good morning Will.
All panels have optimisers, My installers fitted them when they put extra panels on the roof.
I will ask my installers to investigate the steep drop in voltage.
Regards Dave
All panels have optimisers, My installers fitted them when they put extra panels on the roof.
I will ask my installers to investigate the steep drop in voltage.
Regards Dave
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Oh in that case something isn't right for the voltage to drop like that if correctly sized and installed.
Worth noting that the fox system needs at least 75-80v before the mppt will awaken. you really want to be closer to the 200v side on a pv string.
Worth noting that the fox system needs at least 75-80v before the mppt will awaken. you really want to be closer to the 200v side on a pv string.
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Hi Will
What can i ask my installers to do.
I called a independent solar installer to look at the system, He could not find any faults.
My installers have been out twice and also found no faults.
No faults come up on the inverter.
I do appreciate any info you can give us.
Regards Dave
What can i ask my installers to do.
I called a independent solar installer to look at the system, He could not find any faults.
My installers have been out twice and also found no faults.
No faults come up on the inverter.
I do appreciate any info you can give us.
Regards Dave